![]() Guns vary widely in both dollar value and value to criminals. I don't mind helping friends move, but I won't touch a safe. I think the focus should be more on preventing entry into your house in the first place, as well as immediately knowing if it does happen.Īlmost any safe bought at a big box store can be opened by a pry bar. $800 on security devices you install yourself plus a $200 cabinet to slow a smash and grab down would probably go a lot further in securing your home than a $1500 safe. Pop open your phone, activate an interior camera, look around and see what's going on. That same $1500 for a beast safe could get you a top of the line security system with layers of defense like window detectors and cameras everywhere that shoot alerts straight to your phone. The way to secure your house is with security systems. Meanwhile dropping $1500 on a safe is doing nothing to protect all your other valuables, or your own safety for that matter. Even if you go big, you run the risk of burglars doing a ton of damage trying to get in, and you're talking a big initial investment. Problem is, if your house is empty for 6 hours or something, that's plenty of time to get into anything sub $1000 dollars for anyone smarter than a crackhead. Locker vs safe is basically a question of how much time and effort it takes to get in. I've been working on this problem for a while and thus far I suspect people are going about securing their firearms kinda wrong. My kids don't even know the full extent to what we own or where the safe is. It keeps the kids from getting into it and accomplishes the protection if someone takes one and misuses it, I can claim that it was locked, which it is. I have a cabinet in a locked closet that is totally hidden and no one knows about it but me and my wife. If someone knows its there and they want it, its just a matter of time and effort. Enough no one noticed and in suburbs with remodels going on now and then, no one balks at a little saw noise. He lives in a suburb, but down a dead end and closest neighbor was maybe 50 yards away. It was a high end safe, bolted down as instructed. They worked on the safe with pry bars and opened it. The destruction was massive, like $50,000 massive. He came home after a long weekend (they knew he was out) and they had wrapped a chain around his safe after cutting out the floor (it was bolted down) and pulled it out of his master closet with a truck. A bunch of construction guys saw during a remodel. Why am I telling you this? Best security is security people don't know about. Leaving the top off in downtown Portland all the time, had the column torn open twice, Jeep never disappeared. The best alarm I ever had in my Jeep was a heavy duty switch hidden in the center console that disconnected the lead to the starter. Here’s the question is the protection the Winchester offer really worth double the price? My thought with the stack on is I could use that and save money for a actual safe like a sturdy safe, Fort Knox or a Liberty when the budget allows. It’s locking and light weight as well as probably the lowest cost of entry. Looks like a okay safe, some good and not so great reviews but it will offer some fire protection and decently secure storage. I currently am considering a few options: I’ve looked at Liberty and while they are nice, just not in the cards given my recent spending on firearms. I’d like to get the guns out of my closet and into something more secure. So far it’s two handguns and one rifle with more on the way. Well I was bitten by the bug and after owning a single handgun for four years I am beginning to buy more guns. Salon: Gun control’s racist reality: The liberal argument against giving police more power NY Magazine: There Is No ‘Epidemic of Mass School Shootings’ The New York Times: The Assault Weapons Myth 538 on Americans misunderstanding gun violence and policy solutions The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights National African-American Gun Association This does not mean "classical liberal" or right-leaning libertarians. Those who would identify as Democrats, Progressives, Socialists, &c. "Liberal" here is "left-of-center", in US political terms. This is a place for liberal gun-owners who want to discuss gun ownership absent the "noise" of most right-leaning pro-gun forums. Gun ownership through a pro-gun liberal lens.
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